|
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 2,089 Likes: 1
Veteran Member
|
Veteran Member
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 2,089 Likes: 1 |
I'm not for auction companies purposely advertising a piece to be authentic when they know it's not....but on the flip side... there are so many in our hobby trying to rescue people that have no desire to be saved.
Shawn is right..there is a segment of collectors that flat out do not care. You can shake your fist at those who make and sell repops...but the reality is that there is a huge and booming market for it. You can get mad about it, you can curse anyone who knowingly or unknowingly sells it...but the real problem is the people buying it like little kids wanting more candy.
As stated..if you have a problem with something from an auction house that advertises here..I'm confident if you contact them they will look into it. Slinging mud at them is not the answer. Absolutely been what I've been saying for years on OLDGAS,
Wes.......
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 5,105 Likes: 20
Veteran Member
|
Veteran Member
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 5,105 Likes: 20 |
Good point Shawn... Also keep in mind these guys like Ron that bit paid big money but also seen many high end pieces go real cheap. Many of these big car collectors are wanting gas pumps and globes and signs to decorate. Some don't care if there is a repop in the mix. Most of them have pickers that they buy from... Doubt they are out digging through attics or ebay buying. End of the day when they are auctioning I would hope Rory or morphy or any other auction company would treat a guy with millions or a guy with $500 the same. Anyone spending money with an auction company needs to keep in mind the guy with $500 could have millions later.
Looking for anything from Hoosier Pete, Platolene 500 and Red Bird.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 5,105 Likes: 20
Veteran Member
|
Veteran Member
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 5,105 Likes: 20 |
When auction house charge 15% or more to auction petro and are experts in the hobby I would expect they look at every piece and give there advise on condition and info of double sided sign or complete globe or where it's original or repop.
If not than what makes them any different than any other auction company that had no BP.
Looking for anything from Hoosier Pete, Platolene 500 and Red Bird.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 842 Likes: 2
Moderator
|
Moderator
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 842 Likes: 2 |
I was wondering if anyone was going to call you out on this statement. Let's see....20 minutes is 1200 seconds....which means you can spend less than one second looking at a picture to determine accurately whether the item depicted is authentic? Sounds like either an absurd claim or a GROSS exaggeration. Since I don't know you personally Kevin I'll assume it's the latter. As others have said, it's often difficult for even the most knowledgeable collectors to get it right with an item in hand.
Just as interesting to me is WHY you chose to publically criticize Rory or BJ for bringing more petroliana to the market. Sounds a bit like "penis envy"....his is bigger and better than yours so you attack him to cover-up any shortcomings. Of course, by "his" I mean his collection or his business or whatever.
Let be realistic.....this is the internet. It's not like everything you read on the internet is true or accurate, right?
Richard
Richard Weir Corinth, Texas
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 731
Petro Enthusiast
|
Petro Enthusiast
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 731 |
Guys guys guys, lets all take a chill pill and put our guns away.
Pegasus, impressive math problem, however, you missed my point.
Wes, I think you and I both know that some stuff is obviously fake and some stuff it is nearly impossible to tell, even in person. You missed my point. The items that are obvious, that even me, a little ole no-it-all rookie 25 year old can pick out, are being advertised as real. How can we justify this as being a good thing for our hobby?
Guys on this site will absolutely crucify someone for selling unmarked reproductions. Am I correct? However when a celebrity offers falsely advertised items for sale, we hold his jock strap for him?
That makes no sense.
There is no place for people like that in this hobby. Weather it is little Jim Bob Smith who has a small garage with a dozen rusty oil cans and beat up pump he adores, or a multi millionaire with every porcelain sign known to man kind.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 985
Petro Enthusiast
|
Petro Enthusiast
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 985 |
Guys guys guys, lets all take a chill pill and put our guns away.
Pegasus, impressive math problem, however, you missed my point.
Wes, I think you and I both know that some stuff is obviously fake and some stuff it is nearly impossible to tell, even in person. You missed my point. The items that are obvious, that even me, a little ole no-it-all rookie 25 year old can pick out, are being advertised as real. How can we justify this as being a good thing for our hobby?
Guys on this site will absolutely crucify someone for selling unmarked reproductions. Am I correct? However when a celebrity offers falsely advertised items for sale, we hold his jock strap for him?
That makes no sense.
There is no place for people like that in this hobby. Weather it is little Jim Bob Smith who has a small garage with a dozen rusty oil cans and beat up pump he adores, or a multi millionaire with every porcelain sign known to man kind.
BOOM! That's strong and well put.
Last edited by luminor89; Fri Dec 19 2014 03:07 PM.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 731
Petro Enthusiast
|
Petro Enthusiast
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 731 |
I'm sure some of the pro collectors will not agree with me based solely on my age. And I am OK with that! Everyone is entitled to an opinion and nobody has to agree!
(By the way, I have been around this stuff since I could walk, My father has been collecting for over 35 years and my brother for about a decade, So I am not as stupid as some of you may believe)
But, I hope the one thing we can all agree on is that there is NO place for falsely advertised pieces in this hobby.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 1,145 Likes: 1
Veteran Member
|
Veteran Member
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 1,145 Likes: 1 |
if we all had the same opinion it would be pretty boring . That's the great thing that we take for granted in the countries we live in , is the freedom we do have , to have different opinions . I like seeing these "discussions" on here . I think they are great , good points by all . Education is what I like to call it .
Follow the Red Indian Trail
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 6,772 Likes: 1
Veteran Member
|
Veteran Member
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 6,772 Likes: 1 |
But, I hope the one thing we can all agree on is that there is NO place for falsely advertised pieces in this hobby.
Well put. I do think we should give sellers the chance to correct inaccurate descriptions. That's why I think it's best to notify the auction company privately before we get on a forum talking about people getting ripped off. If they don't remedy the inaccurate descriptions and let the item cross the block while being misrepresented then that's when the gloves should come off.
Last edited by Lastgas15; Fri Dec 19 2014 04:13 PM.
Wanted: Gas pump globes:Sinclair & affiliates, IL companies. Ripple bodies. Anything Sinclair, Stoll, Pierce, 4 Bros. http://www.lastgas15.com/
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 181
Petro Enthusiast
|
Petro Enthusiast
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 181 |
I had a very experience fellow with the last name of Elza sell me fisk tire sign in Columbus a few years ago and told me it was real, and found later that it wasn't and asked for money back and it never happened, wouldn't even return my emails, so you really never know who the good guys are??? People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones!!!!!!!!!!!!
Last edited by Hud Oil; Fri Dec 19 2014 11:07 PM.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 65 Likes: 1
Active Member
|
OP
Active Member
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 65 Likes: 1 |
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 569 Likes: 1
Petro Enthusiast
|
Petro Enthusiast
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 569 Likes: 1 |
I'm not for auction companies purposely advertising a piece to be authentic when they know it's not....but on the flip side... there are so many in our hobby trying to rescue people that have no desire to be saved.
Shawn is right..there is a segment of collectors that flat out do not care. You can shake your fist at those who make and sell repops...but the reality is that there is a huge and booming market for it. You can get mad about it, you can curse anyone who knowingly or unknowingly sells it...but the real problem is the people buying it like little kids wanting more candy.
As stated..if you have a problem with something from an auction house that advertises here..I'm confident if you contact them they will look into it. Slinging mud at them is not the answer. Absolutely been what I've been saying for years on OLDGAS, I call people like this "CROWS" they don't care where the item came from or if it is authentic or not they just want something bright and shinny to show everyone.
-MAXGAS- Looking for Independent Gas & Oil, Oilzum,& Early FORD dealership items.
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 681
Petro Enthusiast
|
Petro Enthusiast
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 681 |
I have never had experience with Brinkman auctions, but I feel that from what Ive seen, they put on a first class job. Rory is obviously trying to do a good job here, and given the circumstances, He is doing all that he can. As for Keith and Kevin Elza..They are very experienced in what they do. I have known them very well for 5+ years, and they have always bought some of the best automobillia smalls and display items I know of. They would not to to cheat anyone or start any arguments unfoundedly.
Good oil cans don't wait for people, people wait for them.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 6,772 Likes: 1
Veteran Member
|
Veteran Member
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 6,772 Likes: 1 |
Wes, I think Maxgas was agreeing with you and Shawn, and was calling the people that don't care about authenticity crows.
Last edited by Lastgas15; Sat Dec 20 2014 07:36 AM.
Wanted: Gas pump globes:Sinclair & affiliates, IL companies. Ripple bodies. Anything Sinclair, Stoll, Pierce, 4 Bros. http://www.lastgas15.com/
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 681
Petro Enthusiast
|
Petro Enthusiast
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 681 |
I can see this turn on the tread causing more problems than it solves...
Good oil cans don't wait for people, people wait for them.
|
|
|
|
|