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Great words Wes ,
If you dont like it, dont buy it!
Move on and state that IMO it's fake.
I have many things in my collectionthat may or may not be fake but I like them and thats all that matters!!

...well - for example - when you have established sellers intentionally trying to pass off Argentinian repros as original pieces, it gets confusing - which is bad for the hobby...

....deception is the cloak under which crooks hide. Foolish are the people that buy into their deceptive ways.

If I am to believe your lies; and in fact, you have sold 30-40 signs on this forum. Then, how about paying back to this site and making a donation to Oldgas.com. Or, are you simply a ***** and a user....

Well if your that confused maybe it's time you got out of the hobby.. What happens on this site and I've heard it from many members on OLDGAS, all this criticizing and complaining about the sellers and what is old and what is reproduction on here is turning a lot of them off ,, Just sayin,,
I still say , " If you don't like it , don't buy it "
Same as when you go to an auction sale, lots of guys buy reproduction items and don't know the difference, hell a lot of the auctioneers don't even know what is or isn't,, the buyers go home happy , hang it up and are quite proud of what they bought,, who are we to tell them they paid too much for something,, all you do is make them feel bad and you go home feeling proud of yourself at their expense. We need to mind our own business...

Well said, Wes...

As far as I know, the sign in this post is original.
I for one would want someone to tell me if I was bidding on or bought a fake.
I see no way to justify deceptive sellers.
If a new collector gets burned a few times, they may leave the hobby.
Doing your own research will not leave you with a for sure answer every time.
No foul for asking for help.
By "not minding your buisness", you may save your friends some money.

I agree Wes,,, except the one line,,

Doing your own research will not leave you with a for sure answer every time.

getting any and all opinions here ( OLDGAS ) won't guarantee you the correct answer every time either, in fact a lot of the time it will leave you more confused ..There are NO experts on here, just opinions, "some right and some wrong"... most people will pick the one that they want to be right to suit their circumstance.

...right on...

Thank you for that statement Wes ! As a "newbie" I (and I'm sure others) really appreciate that attitude. I do read, study, and investigate items I'm interested in however its just a fact that most of this kind of knowledge has to be "taught" by those with hands on experience so to speak, book knowledge can get you only so far. I have been VERY fortunate to have some of the experts in my brand of choice help me out and allowed me to ask any and all questions no matter how silly, and never told me once to "figure it out yourself" You guys know who you are, THANK YOU !! Also ignorance is not bliss, I've been told that some of the items I paid good money for were fake, was I upset ? sure but not at being told about it, upset I wasted money on junk. I was happy to take that stuff off my wall ! If some of you guys don't want to help out "newbies" or protect the hobby by calling out liars and cheaters than don't, but don't discourage those that do, I for one appreciate them !

Well I am going to wade in. There is nothing in the ad that seems to mislead anyone. Should the seller put on there that it is foreign, probably so if either he knew or thought that it was needed. How though can you hold this seller responsible for something that a question to him and given the chance to answer would work. I am certainly not schooled in this porcelain field and would not know one from the other, but a simple question to him and posting the answer would work.
Just a thought.

back to the focus on this sign...

known facts:
-Sign is Foreign

unknown facts:
-Is sign original or fantasy (newer Argentina made)

to help figure this out, pictures of the back should be posted.

I prefer to not get involved in these discussions but I think people are missing the point that this seller pops up every few months with the same or similar stuff and each time is asked to fully disclose what he is selling. This is not the first time oldgas has asked jgoff to tell everyone his signs are foreign/questionable.

Jgoff, you may be the nicest and most honest guy in the world, I never met you nor have I bought anything from so I am not judging you but I do not understand why we repeat this same argument every time you list something, just put in your ad that your sign is foreign when you initially list it..

here is a thread from a few months ago with the same exact discussion

http://www.oldgas.com/forum/ubbthreads.p...true#Post501768

I don't argue or start any trouble everyone else just goes off the deep end. If you have question about a sign im selling just ask its that simple. Iys ridiculous how the people on here act when they are just collectors not experts. People have tried to trash me and just get me to give up I guess. everyone has the right to post their opinion and that's fine but there comes a point in time when it gets ridiculous. people should just ask the buyer if they have any questions before they get us started a bunch of ***** on the forums and yes I would be glad to donate to the oldgas website, its the rude and ignorant people that cause the issues on this website it's a very simple process And these people try to make it into something completely different if you like the item ask the seller any questions you have about it and buy if you want or dont it's that simple.everyone thinks their so called experts and it's ridiculous

As a member noted, we have gone though this same discussion about a similar sign from the same seller. I'm not surprised that the same situation yielded the same result. I'm baffled as to why the seller didn't state what he knew about the origin of this sign after the discussion that occurred with his prior sign.

The For Sale Guidelines has this line:
"If there are special circumstances involved with the sale, be upfront in disclosing any situation that could concern a buyer, rather than having it come out later."

I think most buyers would want to know if a sign is foreign to the USA. Perhaps they want signs from other countries in their collection. Or they could be upset if the sign turned out to be from a country other than they expected.