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Pennzoil sign authenticity question #701734
Tue Jan 02 2018 11:33 PM
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I had a question regarding Pennzoil signs. I've had many real ones and have seen many fakes. I ran across a common 77 fake last month with the separated ' r ' (which looks like an i with a dot next to it) see photo 1 and 2 below. It's one of the obvious fakes with the off-color.

Then just last week I ran across a 73 which had the same separated r, but the color looked okay. See photo #3 (the r was separated I saw it in person - sorry, it's the only pic I have. Unfortunately I didn't get a close up of the date/ mfg stamp).

My question is this, are all separated r's fake, or does anyone have a positively real Pennzoil sign with this feature? Maybe it was a font change at a certain date, maybe it is a different manufacturer, maybe they are all fake. Any help would be appreciated.

And I'm only talking about these 31" oval signs in either this style, or the ones with the 'sound your Z' rocker on top.

Thanks for any help,
Steve

Fake - photo #1

Fake - photo #2

Sign in question - photo #3

Last edited by Speedracer; Tue Jan 02 2018 11:59 PM.

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Re: Pennzoil sign authenticity question [Re: Speedracer] #701736
Wed Jan 03 2018 02:02 AM
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Steve,
This isn't a great help but if I'm understanding your question, these do bring some legitimacy to the funny looking "r".
Both these decals from the mid 80's (which far as I know are authentic) have that "r" like that.

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Re: Pennzoil sign authenticity question [Re: Speedracer] #701739
Wed Jan 03 2018 04:54 AM
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Thanks for the info Steve. However, I understand those r's may be on the other smaller signs, but I'm only talking about the 31" signs. There is the possibility that the people who faked the 31's used the smaller signs (or those decals) as a pattern.

Regarding the 31's, I (me personally) have only seen the spaced r on the fake signs.

So does anyone have an original 31 with this r?

Last edited by Speedracer; Wed Jan 03 2018 05:09 AM.

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Re: Pennzoil sign authenticity question [Re: Speedracer] #701919
Fri Jan 05 2018 05:39 PM
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Ok this is what I have . Have it hung up high so best I can do right now as I have the flu I bought this sign out of a gas station in Tennessee that I came accross while I was on vacation in 1985 that was going out of business but still was open . It is dated “83” & me and the owner took it off the oil bay wall after I asked him if he would sell it. Reason I remember the year is that I had just purchased a 1985 chevette to drive back and forth to work . Same r with dot finish . Know it has to be right as I personally helped him take it down.

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Re: Pennzoil sign authenticity question [Re: Speedracer] #701957
Sat Jan 06 2018 10:16 AM
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Cool, thanks buzzy. I guess that solves that mystery. Thanks for your help.


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Re: Pennzoil sign authenticity question [Re: Speedracer] #701959
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No problem glad to help . We never know for sure all the time , sharing helps us all out .


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Re: Pennzoil sign authenticity question [Re: Speedracer] #701962
Sat Jan 06 2018 11:35 AM
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I also noticed there is a "100% Pennsylvania" version that just popped up in the 'for sale' forum and it also has the dot r, but it is the porcelain version. Also, another member PM'd me and sent me a few pics. He also has a "100% Pennsylvania" version with a dot r which is real.

Although I was more concerned and curious about investigating the "Supreme Quality" version. So thanks again for helping buzzy.

-Steve

Last edited by Speedracer; Sat Jan 06 2018 12:08 PM.

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