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Fred, never knew there were 2 different chiefs as the gasoline motor oils above has white in the eyes, my gasoline motor oils is like the other examples...
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I can't believe the details you guys notice. I only have two Red Indian signs the 30" and a 60". My 60" has the white eyes as shown below. I just don't run into Red Indian around here...tough signs to find in any condition.
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Dave, which chief is earlier, white eye or black eye, or is the diffence a different sign maker?- must be nice too have both, now I need a white eye..
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Randy, I don't know. I'm learning as this thread is progressing. We'll have to wait for one of the more experienced collector's to share that knowledge.
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Who knows of any 30" red Indian signs ? well from this thread you should know where all the Red Indian signs are...
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Black eye Indian has feathers over his braids. White eye Indian has no feathers.
Is black eye Indian a higher ranking member of the tribe?
I find this thread ironic considering it's nearly Columbus Day. White eye and black eye Indian probably won't be celebrating the holiday.
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Who knows of any 30" red Indian signs ? well from this thread you should know where all the Red Indian signs are... Mine...
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Loving the Shell smalls in the display pump.. Wow!
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Red Indian motor oil sign & globe appear too be black eye- 3 sets of Red Indian playing cards, top deck- white eye bottom 2- black eye service pin- can't tell...
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Black eye looks more confident, aggressive, and younger. Has a real pointed face and long nose.
White eye looks older and kinda sad. His face is flattened out like an old retired boxer. The white eyes make him look way less aggressive.
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From my research of pictures and conversations with Dave (Redindianguy) here is the order for their signs using #1 as the oldest. BTW, Dave does have an AMAZING collection and is definitely well educated and the go to guy on Red Indian info.
1.Gasoline/Motor Oils. White eye with black reliefs in head dress 2.Gasoline/Motor Oils. Black eye with white reliefs in head dress 3.McColl-Frontenac Products.
As far as which is the most difficult to find. It's all scarce, but the first 5' sign versions seem more plentiful compared to anything else. The early signage (teens-20's) is definitely hard to find and the Indian head uses a very primitive design compared to the others.
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good info...
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great posts guys the white eye is earlier . Seen a few 30's but almost always rough . best I have seen is probably an 8 .
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I like the older head stuff myself . But cond seems to drive price the most regardless of head . The smaller signs all have the later head as I am pretty sure they were all made in the later 30's to the later to mid 40's . Some are marked 1946 . I try to base everything on pictures and the cars in those pics to date stuff . Unless we have someone who was there , that's all we have left . So many of the stories are lost when these things get sold . Its unfortunate to me that so much of the history is lost . If only the signs could talk .
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