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130925862602 Ebay Lets report em!!!

Take a look at his other auctons as well....GRRRRRR

#130925869932 as well .All his signs are fake .The authentic Pure has round corners .The Red Crown is (of course) actually an 11 3/4" repop .The Allis Chalmers can be bought for $20

I am wearing my fingers out reporting this guy's *****

Unless I'm missing something, he doesn't say anywhere that the Pure sign is really old or from certain year? I've seen lots of 1970's signs ( Andy Rooneys etc) in this condition? What the big deal with this one that makes it worth reporting? Seems like a certain member on here has gone a little over zealous? JMO

The listing does say (original) at the top . I am not a sign expert by no means, fact of the matter is I am green as a gourd, but if it is listed as a original then it should be , now the question I have is it original or is it a repop? I read a lot of these topics on the e bay listings that are in question and I use them as a chance to learn something. Thanks for posting keystone , hopefully some of the others can clarify if this is a repop or original.

The pure sign is fake .Pardon the exspession but it is Pure and simple.The fakes have square corners .Real ones have round corners . And I'm pretty sure that all his signs are fake .He could at least have the decency to throw in a real one now and then .The big deal is he has 2 gas and oil fake signs right now .He also has numerous other fake signs on ebay.

On the Red Crown the graphics are completely different from the real ones .The blue cicle is very wide on the authentic ones,and the crown is much simpler than the crown on the fake.Just google them and you will see .

Well then if its fake as you say then in my opinion ,shame on him for listing as such with( original ) in his e bay listing . I do not see a lot of pure items but I will keep the rounded corners in mind if I come across one . Good info. Thanks.

to "really", why is it you're always defending the thieves and attacking the people that are trying to stop them? Seems to be a pattern with you, how about an introduction as to who you are, pics of your collection etc

just checked and every one of your posts seem to be the same old stuff

Gee Neil....because I really don't care for bullying of any kind, and in my little opinion...there is a lot of that going on here........there was a poster listed as NOS that was a reproduction listed on ebay by one of the real bullies...but you had no problem with that...double standard maybe?

Reproductions are a real problem to the hobby and we all need more education on them, but there is no need to be confrontational over a difference of opinion! Keep it civil please!

I'll say why it's a big deal, It is illegal to misrepresent something you are selling. It is called fraud and you can go to jail for it. Ebay will kick you off but their safety and security division won't be done with a fraud, they will investigate and prosecute. $20 or $2000 fraud is fraud.

I asked nicely to keep it civil. If that can't be done, this will be removed.

I agree, we are all in this boat together Lets be nice and email seller and report these bogus signs. Most never respond or chew at ya abit...But all of us collectors need to stick together.. Brian

I always email the seller before doing any reporting to ebay. You would be pleasantly surprised at how many don't know, and amend their listing. Most legit sellers do listen if approached nicely. The problem ones immediately block my emails, and refuse to answer questions which is a big red flag. Fentonlover13 is a prime example. I had never made contact before. Had never seen the ID and emailed them and ask for a size. They wanted to know why? Oh I had to ask twice. Finally got the size and it was different from my original. So I contacted the seller and said to my knowledge that size was never made. I was blocked from then on out. This one is still active. They are listing all bogus stuff including small gas and oil porcelain signs.

I don't see sellers attempting to make money off someone's lack of knowledge or expertise as victims that need protection.

How about the sellers who are selling genuine original signs, that get accused of their sign being bogus?...Are you saying that has never happened here?...because it has....In fact, just today I saw a post from a member here who admitted doing just that very thing. I'm not for protecting fake sellers, but I believe there are certain people on this site who "shoot and ask questions later". If you don't think that happens here, then we just have to disagree.

The sellers that do get falsely accused certainly get defended fairly quickly as there a plenty of knowledgeable people on here to straighten it out. as for the scammers, I'll be generous and say that 1 out of 20 might have made a mistake and out of the ones that admit to a mistake I'd say a very small percentage is honest about it. There are many on here like myself that have invested time and money, sometimes a lot of it, in their collections. There are very many who are trying to steal money from us and others. the vast majority of bad sellers mentioned on this site are just that, they're vermin as far as I can see, no better than the people that attempt to scam the elderly out of their life savings. I hope they get what they deserve. there has been more sellers knocked out of the arena just lately and I applaud the people that are helping do it. they may keep coming back but I'm sure by now some of them are realizing that the group from Oldgas is costing them money as I'm sure they read all this with great interest. Also sure some of them have joined, welcome to Oldgas.

I commend you Keystone Gas Man for reporting these bogus items.....If you have a genuine relationship with ebay, you don't contact the seller of these repos or if ebay finds out, they will reprimand you if you do contact seller directly....this is only the case if you have a relationship with ebay.......you contact ebay and they handle it in the appropiate way......I have emailed the sellers many times, and some will report you to ebay for interfering with there auctions.....if you truly have any type of relationship with ebay, they don't want you telling the seller anything as it turns into a fight many times...and as stated the seller will block and report you......

Yes I agree with ya RR...Ebay is touchy and I try the old "catch more flies with honey" approach..But I have never been turned in by a seller (yet).But your right it might be wiser to just report the item.

Really has a right to his opinions even though they are much different than mine

I know the guy is right about authentic items being kicked off of Ebay because of overzealous reporting .But ,as in the case where I made the mistake of calling the Sinclair 12" bogus the other members came to the defense of the seller right away.I was man enough to admit I made a mistake and apologize to the seller.I do not plan on making that mistake again .I know we are having success on ebay ,but it seems that as soon as we get a fake kicked off 2 more take it's place.I just wonder if there is any hope,but I not ready to quit just yet.

We all make mistakes nobody is perfect. Some on this forum seem mighty quick to judge. I have only been aware of being reported one time in all the hundreds of reports I have sent. That time was for my listing of the new faked Northland seed sign that we used to expose the scam going on. The email I got from eBay said I couldn't say new in my header and used in the box where you click new or used. They also said they choose not to remove the listing if I made that correction. It ran for a second round, with a $5000.00 starting bid. Someone made a bid in the last 24 hours of the auction so they could get my information. Phone # if they were trying to intimidate me it didn't work.

I want a Front Row Ticket for that SHOWDOWN!

You got it!

you can get their info too Diane, be interesting to see who it was that bid

HOPE you filed a NON PAYING Bidder complaint against them.

You crack me up. LOL

I did, but it was bogus. John Law in Grass Valley.

I always tried to avoid Johnny Law when I was young, not always successful, sometimes his heap was faster than mine

And his radio.

I believe this is another fake... 300920396286
shell sign