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My questions is, did Sinclair ever use porcelain 12" round Sinclair Aircraft pump signs? I've always understood that they only used decals, but I keep seeing people claim to have original 12" round Sinclair Aircraft signs with the "Spirit of Saint Louis" airplane on them. I used to have a 48" porcelain version of the sign, so I know those are at least real.
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Only stickers man. No signs.
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Get catalogs from all the vendors you can to see what they offer. These 12" Fantasy & Repop signs have been around since the 80's some even longer. Stay away from Ebay sellers from India [stencilworks] & Argentina [forgot his ebay name].
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There is someone selling a 12" porcelain Sinclair Aircraft sign as an authentic piece right now on Ebay and the bidding was up to about $60. That is what got me to wondering about this. I'm a huge Sinclair nut, and I had always understood that the 12" round porcelain signs were fantasy signs, but I've seen so many of them being sold as authentic pieces that I was starting to question it. I went to an estate auction 6 years ago and saw the bidding go up over $900 for a so called "original" 12" Sinclair Aircraft sign that was obviously a reproduction to me. I yelled out to the crowd that it was a reproduction, but the fools kept up their bidding war.
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271042958303 I think this is the one you were referring to. I have an off-topic question that probably deserves its own thread, but are there any original 11.75" or 12" round pump plates?
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Original HANCOCK's & SIGNAL's are 12". UNION OIL rnd 11 1/2", SHELL GREEN STREAK 11 15/16" just to name a few. There are several books, auction catalogs [new or old] that have pump plates in them w/ size listed. Most recent is Dan Matthews, Benjamin-Henderson Pump resto book 1/2 of book has IMAGE STANDARDS showing how pumps were painted, sign or decal used, type of globe IF Used [I suggest getting the Resto Book & writing in the pump plate size when an orig. is seen/known].
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Thanks for the info. I'll be sure to get a book if I do ever start collecting pump signs.
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I have a beat-up 12" repro hanging outside on my garage wall that was given to me in person by Amistadi. He said somebody paid $2,500 for it and couldn't get their money back.
SAD!!!!
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Dick, that pump resto book you are talking about, isn't that the one that is close to like $1,000 on ebay? I've seen a couple of the books that have ceased printing that are pretty pricey, but can't remember if that's one.
If it isn't, can you tell me where to get one at? I'll look in the bookstore on here, and if I find it there I'll come back and edit this.
I looked, that book is reasonably priced and well worth it. I believe it is Mr. Sim's book that has ceased production and increased in value/price.
Creating another topic for more info.
Thanks, Eddy
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Eddy Smith Call or Text: 678-232-4637 E-mail: eddysmithjr@gmail.com Always looking for pump plates or small signs!
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Hell w/ ebay, get it from the Book Store HERE; http://www.gaspumps.info/$25 + USA Priority Mail Shipping $4.95 $25 + Canada Priority International Post $11.95
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Hey DB, I just meant that I think Mr. Sims and others have told me before ebay is one of the only places you can find his book now, since it stopped being printed, and I thought I remember someone saying it was north of $1,000.
The one you mentioned is the one I just looked at. I'm ordering it tonight.
Eddy Smith Call or Text: 678-232-4637 E-mail: eddysmithjr@gmail.com Always looking for pump plates or small signs!
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QUIT BELIEVING EVERYTHING YOU SEE ON ebay & Reality TV. Superman was a Fantasy & stencilworks [ebay seller] sells FAKES
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Mr. Sims and others have told me before ebay is one of the only places you can find his book now
Eddy Smith Call or Text: 678-232-4637 E-mail: eddysmithjr@gmail.com Always looking for pump plates or small signs!
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Here is Mr. Sim's thoughts.
When you write a book, the publishers do not pay you anything, nada. You sign a contract that after the book is published, the publishers will pay you approx. $2.00 for every book they ship. So, it is obvious you cannot make money writing a book, you can only make money selling the book. The publisher sells the book in quantity, and if you buy 100 books they will give you as much as 55% off the price listed on the cover.
When I wrote the first book, it was a surprised to everyone. I started taking orders months before the book came out, I was making about $17.00 for each book I sold, plus the royality of $2.00 to come later. So, I made some money on the first book.
Then, for some reason that I have tried to forget, I wrote a revision to the gas pump book. But this time, about four guys who are here on Old Gas decided to get in on the deal. They purchased 100 books and were selling them for $23.00 (list price was $34.95), so I sold very few books selling them at the list price. So, I made very little, considering my time and the cost of the brochures I purchased. I was reduced to selling books for a lot less than the retail price.
Just considering the royalities, which in my case were $2.00 per book, and the book sold 10,000 copies, that is $20,000. Sounds great if you got it right away, but the royalities come in heavy in the early years, then dwindle to nothing. Harldy enough to take my wife on that cruise I promised her in the first book.
So, now the book is out of print. One guy on Amazon wants $499.99 for a copy.
I am sitting on a few boxes of books waiting to see just what they are worth. I am no longer selling them for list price.
Am I going to write a third revision, I don't know? I actually could write a book that would identify over 4000 (existing book id's 1900) gas pumps if I felt it was worth my time.
One other thing, books printed on paper are a thing of the past unless your name is James Patterson. Publishers don't even want to talk to you about any book like mine. You either need to self-publish or go to e-books.
Personally, I think the future is in e-books. I know most of you are carrying around a smart phone, but in a few years Apple will make a great announcement, "the I-Pad now contains a phone." Why didn't I think of thet? Now you don't have to carry around two items, and now everyone will have an I-Pad, with access to just about everything, regardless of where you are in the world.
Jack Sim
Author, 1st & 2nd editions of Gas Pump ID book, 3rd edition is now available at www.gaspumpbible.comAir Meter ID book also available
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The book DB is refering to is Guide to Gas Pump Restoration Second Edition by Wayne Henderson and Scott Benjamin. HYS if you had that book when you sold that Standard sign on Ebay and had looked on pages 195 & 196 it would have told you all Standard used were decals. It is sold here in the bookstore for about $30. Mitch
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