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I RECENTLY PICKED UP THIS RARE PUMP AND WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF ANYONE OUT THERE HAS THE REST OF IT OR KNOW WHERE I MAY GET PARTS FOR IT. I MAY CONSIDER SELLING IT DUE TO THE RARITY OF IT BUT NOT AT THIS TIME. ANY INFORMATION WILL BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.

Isn't that a visible attachment for an early curb pump??

ALL I HAVE FOUND IS AN AD FROM 1921 ON PETROLIANAS WEB SIGHT? THE IMAGES ARE BLURRRRED, SO I REALLY CANT TELL WHAT ITS SUPPOSE TO LOOK LIKE.

I agree with Kevin, looks like an attachment. Neat looking piece, good luck on finding what you need.

I think it is the top part of a visible pump and not just an attachment. Page 172 of "The Bible" (2nd ed). The one with the light on top. I bid on a complete one on ebay years ago....unusual, slender, neat little pump. How would you attach this part to a non-visible with that big base part?....attachments just mounted on the pipes didn't they?

Jim

Not sure but I think we need the professor on this one.
The inlet pipe is running up thru the center and the whole unit could have easily been attached to the top of a curb pump but I have no clue as to what one? The fact that the cylinder and its base are seperated from the mounting area and the discharge pipe comes out below the cylinder, leads me to believe that I'm right? The fact that its a 5 gallon unit, points that direction too!
Now I've been wrong before and I'll be wrong again, but I'd sure like to know how this was attached to a gas pump??

Mr.Wadhams is correct, it's the upper section of a GROETKEN pump. By removing the casting below cylinder base casting [4 bolts] IT can be attached to other company Curb Pumps.

I agree with Mr. Wadhams.

Jack Sim

Learn something every day. I need to keep the pump book at work too.

I don't agree on this one cause they had one without the light on top with the decorative ball instead that was an attachment for any companies pump. If it had the light on top ever then it wouldnt have that piece on top. It does appear the same other than that but there is both versions.

I think you all may be right! As to Notchcads observation regarding the ball, I think you cannot see the ball due to the position of the light deflector in the illustration. It also appears the light is off center and I would speculate the conduit for it came out where the pipe plug is screwed in. So this would probably be an attachment. OR perhaps the light was an option that would have been ordered with the pump....Any case..... IT IS A SURVIVOR!!!!!!!!!
Nice piece thanks for sharing!

That makes more sense that they would only make one unit with provisions! You're probably right. I'm gonna go find me one today and take a look!

Here is a photo of my Groetken 5gal. "attachment". This may clear this post up. I believe mine is the same one as shown, "without" the center casting as DB and others have stated.



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Hello Don!
Do you have a picture of the top of the attachment?
Thanks in advance,
Jim

So it comes down to: Maybe they both have balls so everyone is right? LOL

If this top and middle portion of this Groetken visible becomes available ...I'd be a player...only need a base, sheet metal, and the light, and she's complete! I would probably remove it's ball if I want it totally correct.

Don...is there any bolt holes in that center embossing on the bottom were the pump pedistal would bolt to....or just the threaded hole to screw the pipe into?

Jim

Considering how little is out there on Grotken, I would say anything possibly could be considered correct . Ed Shaver

I've seen a few of these pumps in different collections & None of them had the light on top. All looked just like the one above w/ the ball knob.
Believe what ya want as there are only 2 views of this in the book for the Pump Experts!

Possibly the top that you have is worth the same as the bottom you don't have.

Jack Sim

Jim, if you are asking for a photo of the top of the "center piece", I don't have that. But, I don't believe the "center piece" is needed as an attachment to a curb pump.
My understanding is that what Mario has, is the cylinder with top and bottom castings, plus the center section, which would have bolted to the top of a Groetken pump.
If you remove that center section, you'd have exactly what my photos show ie: a Groetken visible attachment.
I believe the center section is only needed as part of the original pump.

Mr. Wadhams, yes, there are four bolt holes on the perimiter of where the pipe would screw into the bottom casting.

I also believe that the little ball on the top of the cylinder is not related to any light that might have been on top of the pump.

Hope this helps.
Don

Thanks to all that have replied to this post. To add to the lil ball on top confusion, I believe this was some kind of vent for easy flowing of the fuel because I have found three 1/8"+/- dia vent holes equally spaced on it?

I have a restored pump. It is as yours. Your top fits on a round steel cylinder that is bent to a cylinder shape and is rivited in a straight line from top to bottom. Looks like the photo in the ad. It has the knob on top and no light. Mine has a globe covering the knob. I suspect the body is designed to enclose a curb pump that was already in the buyers possession. I still have the actual pump inside it. I'll look and see if the manufacturer of it is visable. I'll post some photos, too.

My buddy has a 5 gal Groetken and it don't look nuttin like dat

I would post photo's of my restored pump if I could upload them Jack!!! or a remedy to do it without giving up my email address

Down load to Image Shack or Photo Bucket [BOTH are FREE IMAGE HOSTING SITES] & select the link for FORUMS to Copy & Paste.

[so easy even a girl scout could figure it out]

Page 30 of the "Value Guide to Gas Station Memorabilia" has a pic of what looks like this pump.

Not sure that I can add anything to this except a couple pics of my Groetken 5 gallon, obviously a different model....

That is what my buddy's Groetken looks like
His has original hail screen & numbers people say are the wrong ones but I know they are factory...you don't know everything guys

I'll ADMIT to that, NO ONE EVER WILL.
Pump companies did make 1 of a kind/special pumps for customers. Some pumps were modified by secondary companies to fit their customers needs.

The 5gal Broken Groetken I had looked like H1's, which is Nothing like the head unit [as said above] at beginning of this thread.

here's my 21

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I examined the pump itself.. the handle is cast with Groetken on it. The pump is mostly covered by the skin so I cant see who manufactured it but since the handle says groetkin I assume the pump came all togther from them.