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#22007 Wed Apr 30 2008 11:35 AM
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I recall reading not to long ago in Antique Week that legally a buyer premium belongs to the seller, and that most auction houses are in error when they collect and keep a buyer premium.

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rick it would be better if it worked that way.

the only sense to a buyers premium is... sometimes but hardly ever does it ever lower the sellers cost but rather as our experience notes, in most cases it just simply ups the auction houses overall profits.

seth, the auction outfits that have added said buyers premium around here... have not and we stress, have not lowered their 20-30% seller rates one little bit to anyone! plus go figure... all auctions attended with same, get that much or more of a lesser bid from us because of this whatever given buyer premium increase on top of our bid. not to overlook... many auctions are passed by because of this action!

in addition when all is figured in, said and done... one cannot sell large amounts for less than 20%, so cant understand their apprension and or fear!

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Maybe I don't understand the last post, but no matter what the expenses are, I only charge the sellers 10%, no more, no less. If I didn't charge a buyer's premium, they'd have to pay 20%, so whoever it "belongs" to, it still goes to pay the bills of the auction. My point, which is really just a personal theory I guess, is that the less the sellers have to cough up in commission, the more likely they are to allow the merchandise to be sold at a public auction where everyone has a chance to buy. About 7 years ago, when I instituted a BP and dropped the seller's commission, my auctions went from an average of $200K to an average of $400K. In other words, better stuff=better money. The bigger auctions, RM/Barrett/Kruse/Leake generally have a bigger BP and generally get more money than anybody else, go figure?

Seriously.....if you've got merchandise that you want to have auctioned, send it to me, if it brings a $1000, you're gonna get $900. No tricks or gimmicks.

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Seth,
I have paid $200-$300 at Russo Steele and Barrett Jackson just for the right to bid.And at 10% on each side from seller and buyer I do not know if you even come out on top after all the work and flyers guys like you and Dan do to get ready for a auction. Much less the cost of the building, the credit card cost, and pay your help.
Heck, on line I bid knowing I will pay 15% but with $4.00 gas upon us I sure can not drive there for the extra.
If you break it down to hourly wage you would qualify for assistance in many States.
I will be at yor and Dan's auction's or online while I am alive.
Just my 2 cents.

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George, thanks for posting the information about your collection. I see its gotten off topic, lets get back to the sale of George's collection, and move the debate to a topic related thread........


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Lance,
It has gotten of track but if i was "selling of my collection" these are some things i would want to know.

Very interesting.

My question is for Rex... i know he doesn't post anymore but did Rex pay for all the advertising, place to hold the auction, flyers and etc. and if so why?


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Trust me........EVERYTHING IS NEGOTIABLE. The auctioneer's % fee for selling a $100,000 collection is likely to be quite different than on a $2,000,000 collection. And who covers the various auction expenses is also negotiable. I'm guessing that Dan or Seth or Aumann would be more than happy to cover all the expenses if they could get a contract on the $2,000,000 collection!!!

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Well Seth, it's been about the last 7 years that gasoline collectibles have been really hot selling everywhere ( USA & Canada) I'm not sure the real reason why, maybe it's the age group( baby boomers)with more disposable income. Souperhigh, don't feel too sorry for poor ole Seth, I'm sure he has his business profits figured out just fine for him..he needs 20% for his sales that he does and it works for him.. ( no tears here ),,,just a little humour guys..


Wes.......
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George, Nice talking with you today. Very nice collection.
Maurice

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