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Just received another set of Rules from ebay !

Remove any references to checks and money orders from your listing descriptions. Starting January 15 these listings will be taken down.
ALL city, state & National Gov. accept Personal Checks, M.O.'s & Cash, but not ebay !

Maybe it's time we sent all our FOR SALE items to auction houses like( Dan Matthews Auction ) house and let them sell for us and all we have to do is collect our money from them, they do all the work ??? Something to think about ?
Wes.

Hi Dick- where did you see this-?? i must have missed it-- There are also still many people who come right out and say -No Paypal even though they display the pay pal logo- I hope everyone who has complained about the pay pal fees took advantage of the chance to sign up for the reduced rate of 1.9% rather than pay the 2.9%- thanks Don

Hey Don,,,, If I see it right, you have to have a transaction of $125,000 to get the 1.9% rate.??

this is their fee rates

Monthly sales Price per transaction
$0.00 CAD - $3,000.00 CAD 2.9% + $0.30 CAD
$3,000.01 CAD - $12,000.00 CAD 2.5% + $0.30 CAD
$12,000.01 CAD - $125,000.00 CAD 2.2% + $0.30 CAD
> $125,000.00 CAD 1.9% + $0.30 CAD*

Received new rules, in an email from ebay

Help me out guys. I haven't had many transactions on ebay in the last year, but a long-time member with 100% feedback. Are you saying that one can no longer buy or sell using anything but paypal?
Thanks

Thats somewhat true its a bunch of bunk if you ask me. What you have to do is list a item and accept paypal but you can put in your description in your invoice that you will also accept money orders or cash on delivery. I have listed items and put in item description that its cash on delivery and ebay sent me a notice that i will no longer be able to do so after the 15th of Jan. It will kill there business if you ask me.

After Jan. 15th, sellers will no longer be able to state they will accept checks/M.O., either in description or payment methods.

It's just a matter of time, before buyers will be Required to sign up for PP just to bid.

So what is next, Walmart stating you can only use Walmart $$, No other form of payment accepted !

This will do two (maybe three) things for eBay. First they will make more money from the paypal.com fees. Second they will (or should) reduce the amount of no pays.
Most likely the next thing they will likely do is require auto debits as soon as the auction ends by verifying fees and putting hold on anything you bid on making sure the money is in the account. So in other words if you want to bid on something that is a grand or more then that same amount of money will most likely be required to be in your paypal account before you bid (so third) they will make even more money using your money at low interest.


Fun Fun

Travis
Topeka, Kansas

One more caution - my tax person says I am the only one of their clients that files and reports in detail my online auction income.

If you sell on ebay and you do not report this income - with this new system the IRS will be able to zone right in on you by just going to paypal for the records or income and expenses to get the exact amount.

Payments by cash / money order were not able to be traced in the past if you cashed them out at a bank - so you could always say you never received payment for those items.

Maybe some of you will recall that the state and federal government was “inquiring” about tax income loss through ebay sales in the last few years. - hmmm


Travis
Topeka, Kansas

Maybe if everyone would put at the end of their description;;;;;; If you have any questions about this auction call --- --- ----- your phone # , this way you could discuss payment options without E-bay knowing it. probably would'nt be long before E-bay realized what was going on and shoots this down also;;;;;;;;;;Ron

Since Meg Whitman left the helm ( she has been there since the inception) at Ebay things have gone south for sure, especially their stock. I bought 130 shares a few years ago when it was trading at 53.00 and now its at around $17.00 ...guess I should sell HUH ? It doesn't look good for them right now..Maybe it will never come back ?

Hang in there Wes. Ebay is unsinkable like the Edmond Fitz & Titanic, eventually ebay will have to start the bilge pumps ! LOL

unsinkable mabe but may just be a tub boat some day. I would not buy any more?

Am I the only one that is thinking that eBay might be walking head first right into a future Federal Anti-Trust "monopoly" lawsuit with some of these new changes?

They own eBay right?

They own paypal right?

They are making it so you have to use their other companies banking service to pay for anything bought from their other company right? So, you have to pay one of their other companies to buy from their "other" company’s auction site...

hmm? That really sounds kind of like a MONOPOLY to me. That and how mad is the US Government going to get when they start selling less money orders because of this new move. We all know you NEVER hit the Government in their wallets without repercussion.

Watch out… a Federal Backed Ice Berg!


Travis
Topeka, Kansas

i find myself selling less and less on ebay....even the stupid stuff i am saving for the local flea markets....i think its been almost a year since ive sold something

I'm just an occasional ebay buyer, maybe two to three times a year, and always pay with a money order. Today I enquired of a seller about bidding on an item and if I should win it, paying with a MO. Their reply was they understand ebay will only accept paypal. What this means for me is..looking & wishing, but no more bidding.

Ebay is giving everyone all the more reasons to go to gas shows! Mixing and mingling with other collectors! I talk with gas guys every week that live hours from me. The friendships you build from meeting ithers is great! Ebay with have a hard time doing that one! LOL
I enjoy going to shows even when i don't have money to spend... that sucks bad too!

It's easy to be a BUYER, being a SELLER is the tough one.. all a buyer has to do is submit a good CC. and its done.No fees etc.

As a small ebay seller I didn't mind the listing & selling fees. It's when they said I would have to accept PP, I QUIT.

I THINK WE STILL HAVE THE FREEDOM TO PUT ON OUR AUCTIONS"CASHIERS CHECK ETC" IS ACCEPTED.

hawkike,
I thought the same thing but since we pay to use there website and they have rules than we have to follow or get kicked off.

Jim has rules on oldgas we have to follow and some people challenge him and get the boot. Only differance is Jim is normally right and ebay is just crazy! LOL

I agree as an eBay buyer it doesn't bother me,but I was getting ready to list some items for sale this month on eBay,and now I won't because of this payPal only rule..
I have to admit,their timing sux,with the economy the way it is,they could'nt have picked a worse time to be PayPal specific in my book.
And how many other sellers feel that way is what will make or break eBay.
This is either the beginning of the end of eBay,or the beginning of the Monopoly.
All other websites I frequent seem to be echoing the same feeling.EBay is shooting themselves in the foot.Are they really that greedy & out of touch with the average american?
Price your item on a websites classified section like this one,or return to the cornfields or winter swapmeet complexes.
I'm listing items on Craigslist too,but just found out eBay also owns 25% of craigslist..for now.

ebay has ownership in Craigslist??

Didn't know that.

More Ebay payment options, guess they heard you guys talking about a "monopoly" lawsuit. This is straight from Ebay.

New Approved Payment Methods -- Moneybookers and Paymate
In February, we’ll be adding two new electronic payment methods to the permitted payments list in the Accepted Payments Policy: Moneybookers and Paymate. These are established payment methods that increase the safe choices available to our buyers and sellers, which currently include PayPal, credit and debit card payment to a seller’s merchant account, Propay or Pay on Pick-up. To learn more about these new payment methods, visit www.moneybookers.com/partners/us/ebay and www.paymate.com/eBay. Please note, Propay also plans to open up its payment service to all levels of Powersellers starting January 22. For more information about Propay, go to www.Propay.com/eBay

Never heard of either of them.

Travis
Topeka, Kansas

I am still seeing listings that say Will take Money Orders

Ebay probably owns those two payment sites also!!

Vermonter
Sellers have till the 15th to remove those words, "then will take them down" ebay's words !

I have seen some pretty creative ways around this. One guy stated in his auction that he does not accept PayPal and that bidders should not bid if they intend to pay electronically. He never mentions other forms of payment.

As for me, I simply ask a seller if they accept other forms of payment besides electronic. Nine out of 10 times they say yes.

Scot

Hi Signal Oil Scot- has the right idea- Most interested buyers will email you in advance to see what you will take for payment- If it were not for pay pal we would loose most of our overseas buyers- they dont always win but they sure help along the final price- PS I have been on ebay over 10 years- over 7000 transactions- managed to survive through all the changes-every place you sell or buy has their rules- I dont see anyone going to an auction and not bidding because they have a 10 to 15 % buyers fee- I go to a show and pay for a space- thats how it is- At a show everyone trys to beat your price down- at least on ebay they bid it up-
After I take an item to 5 or 6 shows during the year and it doesnt sell -it goes on ebay- Most of the time it sells for more than i was asking all year-???
Just my 2 cents- don

i agree with signal oil...if i see a item that i`m interested in and they only take paypal i have asked before i bid,,now in the last month i have picked up a bunch of items that way but now with everything changing on the 15th i`m really curious to see what we`ll happen,, i only pay with mo`s and this might be the end of ebay for me,,i have a paypal accout but will only use it for $25.00 and under... i know someone has filed a anti-trust suit downunder but i don`t know how that has turned out.... i`m so mad at ebay for doing this i can`t stand it!!!!!i guess i`ll get over it...alan

The whole thing reeks. I've got a 429 CobraJet that I'd like to sell there, but they insist on a fixed shipping price. I've always charged actual shipping cost and not a cent more. So do I now start overcharging by quoting the maximum possible price, or do I use an arbitrary number and risk eating the difference?

What if it were to sell locally? I suspect that I would still need to ship it, with tracking, just to ensure that PayPal wouldn't try to take my $$.

I've always gone above and beyond to ensure the item's safe arrival, but when you see it's going to cost you extra...

Well, so far all I've read is "what ifs", no one has had a real problem with ebay's/paypal's new rules because they haven't used ebay. Well I filed a complaint today because a low life seller has taken my money and never sent the item. I was nice and gave the guy no grief on why it was taking so long to send the oil can to me. When I did contact him, everytime he had a different story on why it hadn't been sent. Today I tell him I'm going to file a complaint with paypal, he writes back at 1 am his time to tell me that he now can't find the can and has sent me my money back via "snail mail" from Canada in the form of a M.O. I paid using paypal on 12/24 and he now says I "sent a check in the mail", BS. I had only until the 5th to open a dispute, he asked me to wait for the m.o. before thinking about filing a dispute. "Fat chance", the dispute was opened as soon as I got his email. This is why buyers need paypal, for every 5 great sellers there is a low life who is out to take what he can from a buyer. Before this new system, I was "robbed" by 3 other sellers who took the money and never sent anything. Under the old system I didn't get any money back because the sellers had taken all the monies from their paypal accounts and there was nothing left for me. Will see if this new buyer protection, is really that or the same oh,same oh.

Hey Bob,,, I'm from Canada,,,, maybe I can help if I knew the guys name or where he lives,,,? If he is close maybe I can speed things up for you,,, let me know if I can help..

Here is how Ron Bettin is getting around the PayPal money orders thing,,this has been copied and pasted from his description on a sign he currently has on Ebay.
"Please note Ebay no longer allows sellers to offer other forms of payment in their listings. However, Ebay states in an Ebay FAQ response, that “A seller can accept check and money order payment from a buyer if (and only if) the buyer requests it.” We support Ebay's position on this matter and agree to work with our customers accordingly."
If you read that closely it tells you a lot !

Wes, I appreciate the offer, thank you. The guy lives somewhere in Saskatchewan, that's all the info on where he lives I have before me right now. I will see what paypal has to say and let you folks know what happens. I'm glad that Ron seems to have found an option for those who want to pay by check or mo. For me I'm glad I didn't pay using a mo or a check, after almost a month the money would truly be gone. With paypal there is a record that the seller did get the money deposited in his account. Also I try always to get delivery confirmation on my buys, so a dishonest person can't say that it was delivered when something wasn't. In this case I have his emails with the different excuses on why I never received the can. Just glad it wasn't a rare or expensive can. LOL

hey bob..txs for the info from ron!!!...i appreciate it.... i hear what your saying about paypal and i can understand it from a sellers view point,,i can see how it affects both the seller and buyer so i guess it`s up to each person... but i still hate them for forcing the issue on me...but if i see a item and i want it bad i have emailed the seller and requested paying with a mo dam near 99% of them have accepted so i guess i will keeping trying that and see what happens in the future,,,,,good luck with your situation!!! be patient... KEP LOOKING FOR THOSE HANDY OILERS!!! ALAN

Hey Bob,,,, just don't want you to judge all Canadians by one bad apple,,

Wes it's true I'm petty,but even I'm not that petty. LOL
Since this auction, I have sent a few american dollars north to help out the natives. Just trying to do my little(and I mean little) bit to help keep the relationship between Canada and the 'States strong.

Well it doesn't seem to be very strong these past few years Bob and I'm not sure why? US and Canada were best partners back in the 50-60-70-80's, I don't know what happened... It's actually a whole large subject but not to be discussed on this forum...

My saga continues. I received a MO from the seller yesterday, take it to my bank and they tell me that if I deposit it I will need to pay a $10 "collection fee". Seems the seller didn't buy his MO from a US Federal recognized bank. So not only has this guy "hosed" me on the can, I would need to pay out near half of my "refund" to my bank. I sent the MO back to the seller and notified paypal about this "bogus" MO. Oh, forgot to mention, that the guy wrote his address so badly, I couldn't makeout anything of his town. His name and "po box" was printed out perfectly, but the town was scribbled, so even the guy at the postoffice couldn't make it out. Luckly he has a post-office box and the "postal code" was readable. This guy has been on ebay for 7+ years, he knew from the beginning he was "screwing" me. If anyone wants his name and ebay "tag" contact me through my personal email address. This guy is trouble. (that's my unbaised opinion) LOL

Hey Bob,,,,, I don't understand what that $10 fee is all about.. it seems to me that your bank is charging you a handling fee for cashing a good money order..I think thats something you need to take up with your bank. Lots of banks charge fees for cashing checks too many deposits/withdrawls in a month, service charges etc..
I have never heard of any bank draft or money order that is sold in Canada either at a post office or a bank that the buyer of that item doesn't pay for in full when he buys it. I think the problem lies with your banks service charges..

I sure hope you find the P - - - K thats screwing you around
Just my two cents worth...

Wes, here every check, cashiers check, bank draft and MO must go therough our Federal Reserve. Everyone of these must have a US Federal routing number printed on the item. This MO did not have that routing number. I checked with the local (Portland OR) Treasury office(the bank gave me the info), the "Fed" does charge every American Bank this collection fee to process a "Foreign" monitary check. The seller could have gone to a bank affiliated with Citibank, BofA,etc or could have gotten an "international" MO. He instead got a "non-international" MO. I had seen on ebay all the time sellers telling people that they would only accept international MOs, now I know why. LOL

Bob, are you speaking of Canadians only that specify INTERNATIONAL money orders on Ebay ? If so, the reason that Canadians do that is because US buyers paying Canadian sellers sometimes use a POSTAL MONEY ORDER, they have on them on the right side,
" Redeemable in the USA and US possesions Only" and they are pink in colour and the International MO should be green..
When I send a MO from Canada to US I get a World International bank draft from my bank in US funds.. I didn't know that a Canadian could get a money order in US funds and not be cashable free of charge in any country.. I have never heard of a NON-INTERNATIONAL MO and still be in US funds

Wes, one can get a money order in any curency(?). When I raced we needed to purchase parts from a small french company's rep in the Daytona area. He worked the IMSA and FIA events here in the US, Mexico and Canada. We used MO's in French Franks. France hit any natonal or company(at that time) bringing in large amounts of US dollars with a "embargo tax". They didn't have to pay it if using the national curency. And no not only Canadians, on ebay I have purchased items from (looking at my records) items from 8 countries and everyone who didn't take paypal demanded international MOs. Also you said "When I send a MO from Canada to US I get a World International bank draft from my bank in US funds.. I didn't know that a Canadian could get a money order in US funds and not be cashable free of charge in any country.. I have never heard of a NON-INTERNATIONAL MO and still be in US funds". I don't know the procedures in any country, I didn't know this could happen here. But, it can and it did. Also you say you get a "World International bank draft", if those words are on the MO, then that is another difference between the ones you purchase and the one sent. Nowhere on it does it have anything about being drawn on an international bank. Looking at a stub from a MO I sent off it does have words to that affect. Either way it is done, even if it were just my bank passing on a fee. If the seller had given me my credit through paypal, the way I paid, I would have had my money a week ago.

The guy is definately wrong NOT refunding your money via PayPal,, I can't believe PayPal would let him get away with that IF they knew about it ? Sorry about your woes Bob...

A follow up on my experience with the new paypal/ebay rules. Paypal found in my favor and credited my money back. Ofcourse, since the seller never contacted paypal to give his side of why he never sent the can it was pretty much an "open and closed" conclusion. One part I didn't like was being told, that if he hadn't had enough money in his paypal account, I would have gotten back only a portion of my money and the seller would have gotten a "slap on his *** ***". They didn't even say for sure that he would have been removed from ebay. So these new rules don't really protect either the seller or the buyer, just a smoke screen to take the heat off of ebay for awhile. (This is my opinion, not the sites)

I guess I see it a little different than others.I think they need to set a different % that they take for expensive items,which they don't do.I have no problem with lesser amount items as it's very quick.But it does keep alot of people from selling expensive items because of Pay Pal (eBay) cost to accept payment.I don't know where else you can sell your items in front of any larger audiende than eBay.eBay is like any big bussiness when it starts out it tries everything in it's power to help you and then it forgets you and becomes $$$$ hungry.That is part of what hurts are hobby as we keep making less as sellers and everybody else wants more money from us.If you figure eBays % for there sales of your items it's not that bad,I'm not sticking up for them as none uf us like to be forced into anything,but I wish big bussiness would consider working with us instead of against us.
jw
PS One other thing that kills are sales is shipping charges