DSP $1100
All pics are of best side of sign please look at pictures most signs have touchups

Phillips DSP $550

hupmobile DSP $250

lion DSP $1000

8 ft DSP $1500

DSP $850 SOLD

SSP $400

standard $300

SSP $325

DSP $300

DSP $450

SSP $1100

SSP $700

DSP rough $225 SOLD

DSP $350

$450

PM sent

Reminds me of Nucky's listings...

a large quanity of..

Some stuff should be left on Face Book, ............

PM sent

PM sent.

I would like to buy your Lion sign

Really is that needed negative comments are not welcome not everyone buys perfect signs

David I will get with u on lion if the 1st person who contacted me doesn't buy it

i will take the marathon

What size is the dino Sinclair sign.

Marathon and small Sinclair are sold

Goodyear tube pending

Interested in red crown and standard can you give me a call,518-852-6523,Thank You,Al

Sold the Marathon- small Sinclair- lion 5ft- Goodyear tubes

The rest are still for sale make me some offers and I will see if I can work it

i will take the red crown if still available

Old gas members,
Can you guys help me out? Do you feel a seller is responsible to any degree if an item shipped arrives damaged due to faulty crating ? This guy 'Indiananational' used a couple dozen small white 4inch zip ties to secure 1/2 inch plywood together for a 60' round lion sign purchased, I suggested he use screws. Sign arrived with a major crease/bend…All zip ties were broken off and plywood completely separated. I did not put additional insurance on it, do to it condition and thinking the wood crating was sufficient. HE CLAIMS IT NOT HIS PROBLEM, ITS MINE……I feel he should step up to the plate and reimburse me some dollars.
Thanks for your feedback!!!!!!!!!
David

Ouch, I would hope the seller steps up and makes it right. Might want to post a few pics of the damage.

David I concur 100%. In situations like this and I have had 2, OGers fell over themselves to credit the damage back to me in some fashion. There was no back and forth. All major businesses will do the same with damaged goods. This on casts a bad light on your business practices.

...I guess this is what it looked like 'before' shipping - I think you should post pics of the 'after', as well as the shipping materials...

I agree with luminor89 and Gasman84470. Although, it really doesn't surprise me

The SELLER is ALWAYS responsible because it was he that packaged it! Do a half baked flimsy job and you're asking for problems. If you're going to sell ANYTHING and mail it to the buyer, you need to do an adequate job of packing it!
Insurance is for that rare problem with unforeseen circumstances that destroys the article. It is not intended to protect the package.
indiananationals is responsible!

[quote=KW Frith]If you're going to sell ANYTHING and mail it to the buyer, you need to do an adequate job of packing it!
Insurance is for that rare problem with unforeseen circumstances that destroys the article. It is not intended to protect the package.
indiananationals is responsible!

The Gas Gods a have spoken.

Insurance is Always the Responsibility of the seller as he is the owner of item till it is Received by you in same condition as pictured when paid for.

Red paper clip?... Anyone ?

Zip ties!!!... never had that done to me. Always screws. He may as well have used his red paperclips...

http://oldgas.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=73340&Number=451944#Post451944

okay let's put the real story out therefine with purchased by david under the circumstances that he handle all shipping I told him I would crate it up and he was responsible to setup shipping and insurance my fedex driver agreed with me that the item was very sound when it left me I would have insured the item as I always do with thinks like this if I had set IP shipping how can I be responsible if I didn't set it up ....the packing was very sound when it left me it had crazy amount of zip ties holding it together ...I don't except anyone here to agree but why would i be responsible if he set it up .....post some pics let's see the damage

If he requested screws, why didn't you use them? Just curious.

...because you PACKED the item! Zip ties aren't made to hold things with metal edges in place, because they are easily cut...

RULE #1 - always pack an item as you would want it packed, if you had bought it and the seller was sending it to you...

soo much happens b4 "submit" is pushed!

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ZIP TIES ??? Nothing more needs to be said.

He never requested screws that is falsenthe sign was ziptied to the wood to keep it in place the tons of zipties heldbit all together my FedEx guy even told me he saw no way this could have got damaged...I still want pictures... And why didn't David insure it

I use wire for my signs. It works. But zip ties? Im sorry, but thats lame... I cut small pieces of wood to fit the sign so it wont move in side the box. It works great. Then I use wire to hold it together around the edges. And I use wood glue to hole everything in place.

This is not ebay w/ Irresponsible sellers.

GAWD Forbid if I bought a car from you & couldn't pick it up till Friday & you made a run to store on Wednesday w/ it, killed the neighbors cow. You'd tell the neighbor since I bought the car on Monday that I'm responsible for his cow!

That cow was pregnant,so that's on you too.

Lol

In this world isn't the neighbor responsible for the driver who got hurt hitting his cow?! haha

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Only if the cow was on a public roadway! But neighbor claims cow was hit in his front yard & while over correcting he drug it back in to road!

That's awesome ! Lol ....

Dick

We're one step away from ebay. This site is riddled with as many clowns as ebay.....based on %

BUT Charles , WE have to Respect those that DON'T Deserve IT!


HE DIDN'T PACKAGE IT. He Doesn't own it till received.

Same reason BARS don't buy Car Insurance for Their Patrons!

...Alice Cooper + zip ties...ROTFLMAO!

Kinda hard for me to insure a item I had nothing to do with setting up.....is what I love is everyone jumps all over me and takes his side with no shred of proof of damage even....not that I would expect any different...

...OK - let's see the damage to the sign, and the packaging...

2 sep. issues as I see it. One, the packaging was allegedly inadequate. Two, the buyer arranged and paid for the shipping and pick up.
If two is as I stated, then the lack of insurance falls on the arranger/payer(who actually paid the shipper?).

If one is as stated, and two is as stated, you can argue all day long about who is going to be financially responsible (when you arrange and pay for shipping you kinda take responsibility because the sender then has no basis upon which to file a claim on the buyer's behalf.

You might zip tie components within a vehicle together, but I'll bet you would never consider zipping the body to the frame- same physics going on with the sign and the box moving independently of one another. The weak link (zip ties) will eventually fail....

Dick

I don't respect anyone until they earn it

SO, if that's the case seller could have wrapped w/ tissue paper?

Sounds like the seller hasn't seen a pic of aftermath yet

Even if he had Insurance it is useless if it was packaged incorrectly. And zip ties would fall into that category.

omg
I think what you mean by setting up shipping is that David said he would find and pay the shipping?
In your own words you said you would crate it.
Would it have arrived safe and sound had you set up shipping ?
probably would have been the same. Another case of passing the buck.

That is a pretty lame excuse. Better to accept some percentage of responsibility as it will pay dividends in future business and goodwill in the long run.

^^^Now that's funny^^^ and I told you so! no one want to believe me

Sometime back I purchased several oil cans through Oldgas. Seller paid for insurance and was shipped. However when I received the package it had been dropped and most of the twelve cans I purchased I received were damaged and one was missing. I received the insurance information from the seller and took it to the post office and filed a claim. Claim came back denied, improper packaging. Did the seller give any of my money back, no. I had to eat it.

I'm sure that if the merchandise had been insured in this case, the claim would have also been denied. Its not the driver who makes the final decision of accepting or denying the claim. I can understand both sides but it seems that the seller should make some kind of compensation once actually seeing the damage to the sign.

Buyer says sign arrived with a major crease/ bend.
To me,
I would think it was not packaged right.

Buyer should have paid for insurance.

Porcelain signs are pretty tough, how did it get bent? Sounds like the shipping company also is at fault. If it was damaged enough to give it a major bend, would it have made any difference if screws were used? Hard to say after the fact but it looks to me all three parties involved could have done better.

I wrap a sign in bubble wrap, then a blanket , then screw it between 2 sheets of plywood with 1 X 2's around edge all screwed together. It sounds poorly packed but we still haven't seen the proof.
LETS SEE THE SIGN. Prove this guy hosed you.

#1 Denied Insurance Claim is for Poor/Insufficient Protection & Packaging. Packages are not treated the same as 1st Class Passengers, they are not Babied in transient.

Cylinders, Globe Bodies & Lenses have been received Broken & w/o a mark on outer box [I once seen a CROWN in 1,000's of pieces that was shipped Double Boxed by a well known seller & NO MARKS on outer box].

Thanks O.G.members
I want you to know, that some of you guys are funnier than shitola!!!! Even if this guy doesn't take any responsibility for the crating, which is all I wanted him to do in the first place, you guys have made me feel a whole lot better….
We all know that this sign was not in the best shape when I purchase it. It was always intended to be a fence sign, but needless say, we don't want any further damage. I made several attempts to deal with this and he just kept denying any responsibility. I find it kind of sad though, that he is just one of those guys that will never get it, I believe.
I will do my best to get some pictures posted over the the next day or two. I have never posted any pictures on this website! I will have to figure out how to post them.
The challenge is, I still have flip phone

Thanks for all your comments!
David

David--If you take a couple digital pictures and email them to me, I will post them for you. kwfrith@gondtc.com

I think it is always the sellers responsibility to make sure an item is received as it left the shipping address…..

Here are Davids pictures, as taken by the Fed-ex shipping center.
First pic shows the damage from the front
2nd pic shows the degree that the edge is bent over

You know the shipper had to get pretty rough with things to do that kind of damage to one of these signs . Zip ties or not that thing looks like they droped it off a dock or ran over the edge . Hopefully things get worked out between parties , I can't imagine anyone shipping a cyl or globe after seeing this .

thats crazy... that thing had to have been dropped from 6ft+ in order to do that!

I do think if it had been sandwiched between plywood and reinforced with screws, damage may not have occurred or at least not as bad. I feel for both parties, but at least buyer wasn't expecting a 9.5 sign. This is supposed to be a fun hobby, but as with anything, it does have its discouraging moments. Hope you two will try your best at the "golden rule" and remain on good terms.

John

Once an edge slips out the box it would bend over easily. Zip ties and packing sharp 100lb sign= not smart. I have sliced my hand on many of the edges on my larger signs.

When I arrived on the Fedex dock, I see in front of me two sides use to crate something leaning against a pillar, I was hoping that was not mine. Sure enough, they were the two completely separated sides that would have crated my sign. I was able to locate the sign in a Fedex trailer with the help of the dock worker, that is where these pictures were taken. And he tells me, it looks like a bad crating job, AGAIN….
Fedex has since covered the claim at $.50 per pound shipping weight. That adds up to $77.00 and change for the damage, plus the shipping costs…

I guess, In the end, all this stuff doesn't really matter anyway.

Thanks Oldgas

This post needs to come to a head and be POPPED!
Here is my thoughts...
I have had people buys signs then NOT want to insure them???
So for a few bucks I pay it myself!!! Just to cover my butt and theirs! PERIOD!
I have had people arrange shipping before BUT I AM TOTALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PACKING JOB!!!
In my opinion, The packing job was WAY inadequate! Thus indianationals OWES for the damage! PERIOD!
Sign was rough already BUT still incurred 100-200 in damage!
Indianationals, YOU need to partially refund him OR face permanent damage to your reputation and ability to sell here...
People need to held responsible for their deglect in packing!
Lastly, oldgas moderators need to evaluate this and voice an opinion...Perhaps even make guidelines for proper packing and penalties for NOT covering your buyers!!!

I believe a 60/40 split at least is in order. Indiananational should feel at least 60 percent responsible and David should have asked for insurance and pictures of the packing job up front.

I still believe that packing is the culprit here and the packer is 100% at fault.

I'm of the opinion that they got into this situation via a private transaction and thats how they need to now resolve it. Privately between themselves.

I don’t feel that they need anyone to adjudicate a solution for them.

I feel that this thread has served it's purpose. They both have a clear idea of where the membership stands on the particular subject of responsibility. I'm sure other current sellers also have a much more clearer picture of what is expected of them by Buyer's on this site.

If I read the buyers recent post correctly it appears that the buyer has received some monies ($77.00 plus free shipping) from the shipping company for the damage. To me this means that the shipping company has accepted that they were responsible to a degree for the damage.

Buyer and seller need to determine on their own if that is sufficient or not.

In my opinion, we are now flogging a dead horse.

In all honesty I think he just wants it for free if he already got back $77 + shipping what more should be done

I wish you hadn't posted that...no need to be disrespectful of the buyer. I'm trying to put this thing to rest. Like, I said...respectfully, resolve it in private.

No need to rile everyone...once again!

This isn't the 1st horse you have been thrown from, Make it your last.

5 pages of opinions and only one post will stay in my mind for future reference.

It's all fun in games till a lions tail gets pinched.