And in a lot of cases, even paying attention won't always win the day for you.
On the service I would have thought for sure this was a legit globe. (1st & 2nd picture)
And no white haze on backside of lens. (something I'm still learning about)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Old-Sta...s-/232291853125

But if you look closely and compare it to the picture from the globe CD (3rd picture), I guess it's not. Count the number of little prongs on the crown. And the shape of the opening for your head in the crown.

Any thoughts??

Hmmmm....?? Another clue just hit me, the inside of the frame is not painted!!
Is that a legitimate issue on original frames? Was the inside always painted??

compare the "O" in gasoline
there is definitely a difference
good eye Steve .. ...

I don't know....I think the globe is made up of original lenses in a repro body. I don't remember ever seeing known repros of this lens design. The back of the lenses look correct, as well as some slight honest wear showing in the lower red band area in one of the head on photos. Another thing we must keep in mind is there is always the possibility of multiple lens manufacturers, so differences are possible in originals.

I will say there are repro 15" lenses that I was told were made in Canada in the 1980's that do have the "original like" fritty, sandy feeling backs. Very well done in the original process, unlike the the white backs we see today. I have a repro 15" Texaco lens by this manufacturer.
Darin

Um... quick clue... "Made in USA" on the lens... not legit as far as I'm aware on supposed 15" early globes. I started noticing these a while back. Most of the time original markings are not seen or are 'Reg' marks or the like vs Made in USA.

I wouldn't expect 'Made in the USA' to particularly be on any vintage globe glass in the visible era. When it was used back then it was on products like knives, razors, etc. Typically this marking is on such 'consumer' items. It didn't become more widespread until the 1960s with the influx of cheap Japanese merchandise. Remember we use to call all that stuff 'Japanese junk' and would look for made in the USA. Then later it became a whole labeling campaign promoted by the federal government.

As far as the metal surround, the reproductions tend to have a slightly more silver/whiteness to the metal sheen due to more zinc in the metals being reprocessed by China and the like. The older NOS tend to look more like gunmetal grey overall in my experience, slightly duller on visual inspection.

Yea, I'm not a globe guy for sure but the "made in USA.to me would have been a dead give a way.

On this globe design in particular or others as well?
Darin

I snapped a pic when I was home at lunch of one of my Mobilgas globes, definitely original, with the Made In U.S.A. marking. I'm just posting so others can see an original globe with these markings.
I'm here to learn like everyone else, not to try and dispute other opinions, so the more talk on the globe in question the better.
Hopefully some globe experts can chime in for an opinion. We're all ears!!
Darin

I forgot to mention I have only seen a couple of these USA marked Mobilgas lenses over the years.
Darin

This is opening a whole new can of worms for me. My Sunoco DynaFuel lenses have the Made in USA on them. Dynafuel was only a Sunoco product in the 40's and into the early 50's I believe. I can check more once when home. But I sure would hate to find out they are fake!!!

this mobil diesel pump plate has the same markings .. ...

...found online:

Paul has some interesting comments regarding "made in USA", something I'll be leery of from here on out.

I only have a few globes so I'm no expert, but a quick look through the globe gallery here, and I don't see any globes with that marking. There's a lot of photos so it would take a while to go through them all. Some of the photos it's tough to tell though.

You'll note I mentioned the early visible era globes. The examples presented are all post WW2, when Made in USA would have been much more prevalent. Again, it's just another bit of information out there.

Also, look at the positioning of the crown.. it appears high rather than centered and the outer red is much thinner. Dan Morphy auction for original one of these. Compare.

Here is a couple of pictures of my Standard globe for comparison , and I know for a fact that mine is original. Peter

Wow! Beautiful globe Wasatchman!

Well I'm glad who ever repoped this standard lens made it easy to spot. Almost want to believe they purposely put in the wrong number of prongs just for us collectors.

I'm happy to say that the DynaFuel example on the CD says, Made in USA on it. So I feel better about my lenses now.

Paul thanks for pointing out the visible era reference. But I'll still be cautious with any globes with lenses visibly marked made in usa, without any other markings.

I see a lot of signs that are also marked with usa but they also tend to be dated or are accompanied by a manufacturer's mark. Joe

If you look at the Standard Gasoline globe from Standard Oil of California, on the globe CD, page 82, it has the same number and placement of prongs, as the suspect globe.

I see on Scott's site gasglobes.com in the globes sold section, page 8 there is another Chevron related globe of the era with similar Made In USA marking.

I'm using the 2012 version of the CD, and that is where I took my reference picture from, and it does not agree with the globe of subject. For me it was page 57.
BTW, FWIW, it was not my intention to call out this seller, they probably have no idea whether or not this is authentic.

Made in USA is certainly not a red flag for determining originality, its been used for years on nearly everything, as has been pointed out on here. Posts like this with erroneous information is not healthy for the hobby

...agreed...learn your fonts and colors...

I was asked to take a look at this globe. There is no doubt it is different than most "Standard Gasoline" globes. In this hobby one must realized there were many different glass manufacturers of gas globes. Though they tried to make them all look identical, that rarely worked. "Made in USA" appears on many gas globes. Some have it, some do not and it does not raise a red flag on any globe. Sometimes when a gas globe was used outside our borders they had "Made in USA" on them but again not always the case. I have many Sinclair globes, among others, most all say, "REG. U.S. PAT. OFF" and I have one dated 1928 that has "Made in USA" on it so there shoots that theory...I went through several photos of "Standard Gasoline" globes I have personally owned and collectors that had sent me photos and I found one exactly like this one. I know that one was real because it had faint "paper marks" in the insert on the one side those are impossible to fake. I don't have the one on eBay in my hands. As long as the inserts are fired the globe should be fine. The color is right on. I don't know anyone that made this globe undated as a phony and the Canadian ones from decades ago well they did not make one of these...The globe should be fine just another variation from a different glass company. Scott Benjamin

So glad you chimed in on this Scott!! However, your comments sure make things more confusing for this novice. Wow, so not all authentic globes are identical when it comes to portraying the company logo? That sure changes things a bit.
Well thanks for the clarification!!!

Thanks Scott for responding to this thread, the community appreciates it.
Darin

Steve,

Sunoco sued Miller Oil Company of Canada because they had 'Sun Lubricating Gasoline' and 'Sun Standard Gasoline' brands and Sunoco didn't like the competition.

Sued them for Trademark Infringement and won.

Your lenses may have been intended for Canadian usage and marked as 'Made in U.S. A.' because of Canadian rules.

Jim

I consider posts like these to be useful discussions. I'm relatively new to the hobby and looking to start a globe collection, but I want to buy with confidence. At the same time, I don't want to pass on good opportunities because I'm over-cautious. Now I know that globes marked "made in usa", with no other visible markings (date, reg, manufacturer,etc) does not necessarily rule it out as being authentic. This is why I consider this site to be such a valuable resource. Thanks for the info. Joe

PS. It was through this post that I learned about the Scott globe CD. I plan to purchase a copy of the ebook when I'm able to download in a reasonable time period.

Here are the pics of the back of the lenses, these are original they came from an Standard oil dealer in Washington state

Body is new came from Slama

Another note: until recently (the last 5-6 years), reproduction manufacturers DID NOT put the alignment notch on their lenses.

We were the first manufacturer to do so - and others followed.

All the major manufacturers that do add the notch also mark their lenses with a date.

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The back of an original lens is also a giveaway as mentioned previously.

Look at the photo above this post. See how the 'white' is mottled and very thin. It will usually also be rough like sandpaper.

Modern lens frit is much smoother and the white is thicker and more opaque.

These are just general things to look for - but there is no better way to learn than to actually hold numerous lenses (original and reproduction) in you hands so you can see and feel the difference.

Later . . .

Jim

Looking at the back of the Standard 100% original...Jim good to know about the notches on the repros did not know that...

Wow, this thread really went full circle.
Neon I hope you saw my posting where I wasnt in any way trying to call out the seller on this. Which I now know is you. An Oldgas member. I just had NO IDEA that variations in the logo would ever have been allowed in such a piece as a globe that would be representing the company front and center. I would have thought this sort of thing was policed highly by the company. And assuming that all the globes on the CD are authentic, to me this ebay listing must be a repop.
Wow did I learn here!!
In the end, hopefully we've all learned a little and you get more action on your listing.

I am no globe expert with designs, but I am pretty dang confident when holding a lense in person to know if it is old. The back holds a wealth of information. I learned a lot from attending shows, talking to people and comparing differences, which I think is one of the best ways to learn.

And I Completely agree with the above quote.. Couldn't have been said better.

Same goes for signs. There are signs that look exactly the same from a distance, but were from different manufacturers and have subtle differences. This does not make them repops.

Here's is my Standard Gasoline globe lens That I bought few years back , I was told that it was real because it has the alignment notch and it has that gritty sand paper feel to it on the back of it . I was cautious when I bought this, Because I know you can buy a repop from the Vics 66 catalog . But the price was right . It's a pretty globe when lit up .

When a logo was used for a long time, or a company operated over a large area multiple suppliers were sometimes used and there were slight differences. Check out the differences in these H-C globes.

We have identified at least 7 different colors of green in Sinclair H-C globes!!! It would drive anyone crazy. I chose to keep a later capco version in light green and an early glass version in very very dark green looks black. That's all I need...Scott B.

The phrase "Made in USA" that appears on a globe lens OFTEN but NOT ALWAYS indicates a globe lens that was used in Canada. The Standard lens that started the discussion was used by Standard of British Columbia, a subsidiary of Standard of California. Standard of BC had stations in BC and Yukon, and had close ties with the So Cal marketing in Alaska. Standard of BC had some "different" items. Pump plates. Slightly different Chevron lens, etc. I have not been able to distinguish between some of the versions, so they've not been specifically assigned in the book to Standard BC. This lens will be added, and specifically to a new Standard BC subsection.

I knew there were several variations on the shade of green but didn't know there were seven. I was sitting in my office one night and noticed a few differences in the two HC globes pictured above. There are over a dozen differences not counting the variations in the red and green!

Good, useful info!

It is mind blowing how much Wayne and Scott know about globes! And the hobby itself. Same for so many more of you.

Scott and Wayne, I wish you guys had a regular thread on here where you post monthly or weekly just some little strange tidbit along with source information. It would just be enjoyable to read.

BTW, I really need to get the latest copy of the CD!! And then I need to figure out how to fit that darn CD in my phone!!!